What's the right way to. . . ?

I've just recently picked up working knitted lace and what started me in lace is my female friends who've been asking me to knit them some stuff. I got a book that has a collection of lace patterns for working flat, not in the round which is what I would like to do considering that im new to lace. Here's what what Im not sure about: I have a flat pattern that says the pattern is "multiple of 13 + 5." and each row has a garter stitch at the first and last stitch. If i were to convert that to working in the round and want to eliminate the 2 garter stitches, where would i subtract them? from the 13? or from the 5?
I have a really cute pattern and would love to start knitting but im not sure how its gonna turn out. Does anyone know the right way for going about this?



bobinthebul's picture

If you could provide a link to the pattern, it would be easier to say; also, what do you want it to do? If it's an increasing pattern like a shawl, and you don't want to knit a giant cone, it would involve more than just eliminating the garter stitch at the ends.

TheKnittingMill's picture

As bob mentioned, it would be hard to give you a good answer without knowing what your knitting (shape) or the pattern to which you are referring (scarf, shawl, sweater, etc.), but generally you would subtract from the "+X." Since your pattern is a multiple of 13 + 5 then you probably have edge stitch(es) and some sort of center stitch(es) by the "+X" number being odd instead of even. I'm afraid this is the best we could do with the limited information given, but would be glad to help when we get it.

Tallguy's picture

Yes, as others have said, it's hard to know unless you show us the pattern.

The "multiple of x + y" has several meanings, and that depends on what you are doing. Usually, the "+y" indicates what needs to be added to balance the stitch pattern. Most lace patterns are mirror images -- there is a right and left side to the pattern, and then it repeats. When you come to the end, you need to do only HALF of the pattern to finish off the design. Usually, the border stitches are not charted, but are understood to be there.

Now, of course, there are different ways to write patterns. So this designer may have included the border stitches in the calculations. You need to read the charts -- text are quite useless here -- and see which is the repeat and which is the border stitches. In this case, with a "+5" it would indicate that one of those stitches is somehow incorporated into the pattern. I need to see what you are doing to know what is meant by that instruction.

On the chart, it should be indicated what is the lace repeat, which is the balancing part, and which is the border -- that is, in a well-written chart. That would make it clear.

When converting from flat to the round, you would eliminate the border stitches. You would also eliminate the last bit to balance -- since there is nothing to balance. You will be knitting round and round and round without end. So there is nothing to balance out the rest of the pattern -- as one ends, another begins. This means you need to check sizing, if that is important, since you are going to eliminate some stitches. You may have to add one more repeat to maintain the same size. That is where YOU need to do some work with a gauge swatch IN THE ROUND please, if size is critical.

Thanks for the help. I'm working from the book 50 Knitted Lace patterns by Rita Weiss and most of the patterns in the book are in the format I mentioned. What my plan is, is to take one of the patterns and work into a sock pattern for the ladies who've asked me repeatedly for knitted socks.

I think though that I'll give your suggestions a try: I'll remove the 2 from the 5 and see what happens when i gauge it out. Thanks again.

MMario's picture

the"+ x" stitches are also sometimes used to offset vertical repeats - so it is possible that for "in the round" you would need to change the beginning of round point at regular intervals to shift the pattern.

so again, hard to say without knowing which pattern you are planning to knit.


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David, if possible send me the chart and I'll noodle on it. Converting from flat to round or round to flat in lace is a BIG challenge, I do it frequently though, if not always successfully. Sometimes a guy just has to let go of the flow and move the stitch marker forward or back in the "rest" rows. and then move it again. Annoying , yes, saves the pattern, also yes, except for the couple of stitches there in that particular spot that seem to be slightly off, top the knitter only!

MMario's picture

YOu might want to google the lace as well - a lot of them have been posted in both flat and in the round versions.

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ronhuber's picture

Is it charted? If not I would get some graph paper and chart it. From that you can see where the stitches need to be.